Oh boy, do I have one for you today. I went in deep just for you and have a lot of ground to cover, so let’s jump in.
What Is Four Percent?
It’s headed by fast-talking owner Vick Strizheus who is a rather infamous affiliate marketer that, apparently, has a rather deviant past. I have read that he actually had a system much like his ‘Four Percent Challenge’ some time ago and actually changed his students’ affiliate links to his own to get all of their sales for himself.
There was also his insurance policy scam in North Dakota… the other affiliate training programs just like ‘Four Percent Success Challenge’ that no longer exist…
Unfortunately, I did not find any *actual* evidence of these things, however. No news coverage, no court records, nothing. If you search Vick’s name and ‘scam’ though, they’re pretty synonymous it seems, at least online.
Now, I hate to spread rumors but in this online world of scams and scammers I want to put the word out on anyone who seems less than legit.
Honestly though, if his system is pulling in as many people as it seems he probably doesn’t have to steal links anymore and I will show you why.
I Went To His Webinar
Yep, sat through two hours of him talking about what his system could do for me and the (I assume fake) 396 people in the ‘chatroom’. It was definitely recorded even though it was supposedly live and on the top of the chat it stated that messages would only be seen by the presenter to have minimal ‘distraction’.
Sure Vick, sure.
This is the lead page I saw. Honestly, it definitely has the same feel as a ‘Computer Process’ page. I figured this would be quick and easy since it was most likely going to lead me there. What it did was lead me down an entire other rabbithole.
So, here we are at the registration page. I like that they have arrows to tell me what I’m doing. Apparently they expect people who register to be idiots.
Then again, maybe I am? I totally did register (I wonder how many robo calls and unwanted emails I’ll be getting now?) but it was for science! FOR YOU! My beloved readers. I do these things so you won’t have to.
(I mean, unless you think sitting listening to a recorded Ukrainian guy talk circles around a fake room of people about his ’14 years and $350,000 worth of experience’ is your idea of a good time. If that’s the case, have at it!)
I’ve been registered! Imagine my excitement at getting that message!
Then I saw the recommendation: Block Out 2 Hours of Uninterrupted Time.
Ugh. 2 hours? Geez. Okay. I mean, if it’ll make me start earning $10k a day, totally in. It’s worth it.
Another recommendation was to go to the link provided 5 mins in advance and only on a laptop or desktop. Of course, my jaded mind was like, “This is where the virus comes and eats my computer…” but I obeyed and followed the link about five minutes before and was pleasantly surprised to find no such things were awaiting me; just a blank video screen like any other webinar I’ve ever gone to.
(Hm. I should probably run another full scan on my computer though… just in case. Meh. Right after I write this.)
So here I was, anticipating the webinar that would change my existence forever. I grabbed a soda and went to bathroom (not in that order) and voila! It was go time.
I literally have shots of pretty much every slide in this 2 hour presentation. He never really says how his system works, just gives diagrams of his various ‘engines’, photos of his family on his yacht, on vacation, people who he taught to make millions with his systems (are they real people though? That was my thought even without prior knowledge of his past).
The whole thing was exactly as I expected, but I will tell you that Vick is highly likable and he tries very hard to also be relatable and it actually works. I almost believed him! Imagine!
The picture above is Vick’s version of his reviews on Trustpilot. While he was showing this I went to the actual Trustpilot site and looked up ‘Four Percent Challenge’. I got this:
Still 5 stars (you can buy reviews, let’s be honest here) but only 706. I mean, it’s a small thing but even on their own site (yes…. I’ll get to that) it’s the 706 number. I guess if you’ve paid the ridiculous amount to get in (I’ll….. *sigh* get to that part) you’ve drank the Kool-aid and won’t check into things.
I nearly drank the Kool-Aid I’ll be honest; Vick is very convincing. He seems very sincere, he’s likeable, he genuinely seems like he has your best interest at heart but it’s business! It’s not personal and the Four Percent website is proof.
I’ll get to that. Just hang on. (And this is his technique as well, “I’ll get to the point real soon, just let me go over 300 more slides first!” at the end I wanted to reach into my screen and slap Vick just so he’d cut to the freaking chase!)
Please don’t slap me. I have more slides to share with you!
This is one of the ‘Family’ slides, an attempt (and a great one) at being relatable and likable. No idea if this is actually his family or some paid extras but that’s not what we’re looking at here.
You know, for being ‘the top traffic expert … since 2005’ I’ve never heard of him until now and I *am* an affiliate marketer. All I find when I search his name are the allegations, if I’m honest. I mean, if he really is the top in the business it’s really sad that that is overshadowed by his past.
So take that lesson: If you scam, it will follow you. No matter how successful you become people will doubt you and your motives.
Be honest, folks. It might be a slower grind but a person with integrity will have more trust in this online world full of lies and scams.
Anyhow, back to it.
I sat through more than 2 hours of the webinar and finally, after I think 10 slides going through all the benefits and Vick’s ‘estimate’ of the worth of each piece of the puzzle we got this:
Dang dude. You are expensive!
However, in true informercial form (and after a few more screens) the true price was revealed:
But WAIT!!! There’s more!!!
By the end of this thing he was offering extra classes, an ‘Automated Selling Machine’ and a few other things that I learned were standard, even in their free membership.
Oh yes! Apparently there’s a free membership Vick mentions nothing about. A little try before you buy would have been nice before the heavy handed sales tactics happened.
So, I buy in ($197.00/mo) and then, what do you think happens? That’s right! The upsell!
Lifetime Membership! Holy cow!!! I get everything for always and forever? Mind you, if past experiences with Vick tell us anything, it’s that these ‘Lifetime’ memberships are very limited time offers (since every one of his 3 – 4 other ‘affiliate training’ sites are now no more).
(Sorry, couldn’t fit everything this amazing deal had in it on my screen. I’ll give you a spoiler: Probably not worth it.)
((See? Automated Selling Machines. I wish I could tell you what the heck that was, but I never saw mine. I even tried to contact their customer service about it. No answer. I was very sad.))
Apparently this lifetime membership would get you in deep with these guys. We’re talking yacht parties, status, hookers and blackjack… well, he didn’t say the last two but that was the feel I was getting from all of the promises. He said something like “Since you committed to this, we treat you a little different around here.”
Sure Vick. At this point he was definitely striking me more as the con man I’d later learn he actually was in the past.
Lifetime membership for $1,300… so, let’s see.
The price Vick originally stated (after he came down from $22k, of course) was $1,497.
I already gave him $197.00.
That + $1,300 = $1,497.00!!!
Wow! So I could be a lifetime member for the original price he quoted?? Can he not do math because that seems like a bargain.
-That was sarcasm, folks.-
So, I wonder how many people actually do that? No wonder his bank rolls were crazy high.
Honestly, it’s genius. Come up with a system, teach people with no guarantees it’ll work, charge them $197.00 to sign up and then $1,300 for something that, ultimately, probably means nothing and BAM! You’re rich.
I do respect that on a weird, super villian level.
Anyhow, I am not a lifetime member (we will see if I rue the day) and I arrived at my dashboard.
The member site is incredibly masculine and looks like Netflix took too much testosterone.
I saw that my ‘Challenge’ was available… but I looked and looked and saw no automatic selling machine or extra training… basically none of the ‘extras’ I was lured into purchasing. I sent a message to customer service and waited.
The ‘Community’ is a closed Facebook Group I was never approved for (maybe that was the ‘status’ that was promised if I signed up for life…) and there are some classes that were inactive. I was assuming that they’d unlock after the Challenge, but nope!
I love the ‘3 easy payments of $765’; easy, huh? I think I’d rather feed my family, but thanks.
Oh Vick, more upsells? You’re so predictable.
Yes! You get to pay Vick another $2k if you want this training on ‘Internet Traffic Mastery’. I mean, he made it seem like the entire wealth of his 14 year ‘education’ he spent $350k on was in what I just bought! How could he hold back on me like that?? He said he was my ‘friend and mentor’. #crushed
I mean, if I had gotten my automatic selling machine and started making my $10k a month, maybe then. Yes! That must be it! You follow the system and then you just buy the trainings outright, and the lifetime membership (as you can still get that for $2.5k even after the incredible $1.3k offer has been passed up) after a month or two.
There were more classes for less money, and even free ones done by members, but it all felt empty and impersonal to me. Maybe I’ve been spoiled by the warmth and comraderie of Wealthy Affiliate but it just seemed lonely.
I had to get you a screenshot of the ‘All Programs’ page. Totally looks like a racing game.
Well folks, that was as deep into Four Percent as I got. That was enough for me to cancel my membership and request a refund. We’ll see if I get my $197.00 back from Vick or if I have to contact my credit card company. I’ll be sure to update here either way.
I just wanted to say that Vick was very likable and the past is the past but I don’t like Four Percent’s selling tactics or high level upsells. I can’t really say it’s a scam because I honestly don’t know but you can be sure I’ll be keeping an eye on them to see if thier lifetime memberships vaporize along with a lot of people’s dreams (and their money).
Four Percent Group
Fees: $197.00/mo, $1,497.00 more for lifetime membership / price seems to vary depending on how you join (webinar vs website or affiliate link)
Upsells: Yes, lots of them for thousands of dollars
Verdict: I wouldn’t do it but you do you.
But WAIT!!! There’s MORE!!!
I saved the best thing for those few, special people that actually read this entire blog post!!!!!!!!
I saved you a ‘Success Pill’ from my ‘Success Challenge’! Careful though, it’s ‘Max Strength’.
Catharyn / Fascinaturu – The Rebel Entrepreneur